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2007-02-15

::The Diggnorant

Yeah, i changed the title. This one is a better pun

dummAt many of the seemingly constant all-hands meetings we're having lately, one of the buzz-phrases that i keep hearing bandied about is the desire to have "Passionate Users".

Needless to say, "Passionate Users" scare me. i don't want passionate. Passion driven individuals are folks who are lead by emotion rather than reason, who are blindly committed to something, who are by definition too stupid to use the higher functions of their brain.

Case in point, the most recent fiasco. Several months back, Yahoo! launched a suggestions board. It was a way for their users to not only leave suggestions and ideas, but for others to "vote up" an idea so that it gets higher priority. Folks could also comment on them, and Yahoo employees could not only respond, but were highlighted so that folks knew they weren't talking down a well. To make things easier for folks to get, it was modeled after one of the most successful news and article discussion forums, that also allowed it's users to vote on ideas, digg.com.

The idea worked out amazingly well. Folks got it. There were dozens of great ideas suggested by folks, and it allowed Yahoo! Autos to have a dialog with their customers. Things became less Papal (think Pope on a balcony pontificating to the crowds) and more Soapbox (think guy in Hyde Park on a soapbox).

Well, until a few passionate users saw it.

Remember, passionate users don't bother with ration and reason. They saw the words "digg" and "yahoo", a thumbs-up button, and immediately became convinced that "OMFG! Yahoo! is ripping off digg!!!1!1!!" They attacked the suggestion board viciously, decrying how it will never be the news and interest aggregation site digg.com is. They filled it with spam and graffiti along with calls that "someone needs to be fired!" for daring to use pastel colors, gradients and a TiVO like thumbs up button.

Fortunately, clearer, calmer heads eventually used the digg only "bury" button on a lot of the passionate users, but the damage was done. In a sprut of unbridled emotion, the most passionate of digg's users rampaged across the boards. i fully expect those comments to be removed by the end of the day (although i do feel sorry for the moderators)

i don't want passionate users. Passionate users are morons. i want engaged users. i want folks using products because they find them useful, beneficial and interesting. i want folks to tell us what they like, what they don't like, and what would make their lives easier. i want users that regularly check out our competitors and choose us again. Sometimes we'll be better, sometimes they will. Blinders only mean you miss the advantages when they happen.

i'll leave the passionate users to the porn sites.

Callous
2007-02-15 - 12:54:48

If I were the person who green-lighted the artwork for that feature, I'd feel about two inches tall. That was a really, really bad call.

As for the rest of it, welcome to "User-Generated Content and the Madness of Crowds". Every once in a while the lowest common denominators will go nuts the fine set of art supplies you've left out for guests.

Personally, I love it. They're like micro social experiments, like griefing in online games. It's fascinating to see people's application of tools, good and bad. Crap, it's just loaded with potential for experimentation and post hoc analysis.

Oh, sorry, what? People are trying to run a business here? Oh, blah blah. The mob is fickle and you must be responsive to their fancy.

I'm not sure about engaged or passionate users, I think Y! would be happiest if they had users that clicked on ad links. :) I mention this because that's the one thing that Digg/Slashdot/BoingBoing/Fark/etc users are known not to do.

They will leave you nasty comments, though!

As a developer or property manager, I'm with you: I'd want engaged users. As a property owner, though, I'd want passionate users. Idiots are far easier to sell things to.


mookie
2007-02-16 - 08:53:46

passionate users = fanboys = morons

whatelse do you expect from a site like digg which completely runs on the idea that people should act like sheep and promote stories that appeal to the rest of the sheep pack?


jrconlin
2007-02-16 - 08:58:10

Actually, kuro5hin has a good post about what drives digg folks (no surprise, it's competition) and why it's gamed to have highly provocative articles. In many cases, the authors are well aware that they're misrepresenting the facts. They're just interested in getting higher placement in the ranks.


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